Spirits Within; Plot Without

Waffling Taylors Goes To The Movies

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Chief

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Show Notes

In this “Goes to the Movies” episode, we wanted to tackle a movie which isn’t necessarily based on an actual game, per se

but keep a look out for Jay’s interpretation, very soon

so we tackled Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.

As with our House of the Dead episode

do check that out, if you want to hear the boys talking smack about an Uwe Boll movie

we decided to change up the format of our “goes to the movies” episodes. Instead of working through the plot, we decided that it would be much more fun to focus on a handful of scenes from the movie. This serves the double purpose of:

• Simplifying our episodes, and getting to the gags quicker
• Not having to discuss the plot which this movie doesn’t have

Just before we started recording though, Chief uttered the following famous last words:

Chief:

I’m a pro at this now, I’ve done that many episodes that I could probably do this myself.

With that said, we jumped to jump straight into a description of this movie…

Basic Info on the Movie

Jay dropped some key facts on this movie before we could get to our discussion on it:

Jay:

This is a movie that was released in 2001

… it is THE reason why a whole bunch of Square-Enix games that came out after that were PlayStation exclusives for a long time

… it is known as the 4th biggest box-office bombs of all time

… it cost (in 2022 dollars) $190 MILLION to make, and almost drove Square out of business… and only ever made $85 million back, which is less than half of it’s budget.

Interestingly, the story that this movie was based on

the script was originally called Gaia

was written during the final few days of working on Final Fantasy VII, and was written by Hironobu Sakaguchi shortly after his mother passed away. It was then re-written by Al Reinert (co-writer of Apollo 13) & Jeff Vintar (writer of I, Robot), and was combined with three years of RnD in Hawaii to create the final movie.

It’s also important to remember that the fallout of this movie lead to the merger between Square and Enix almost being canned. Both companies were in pretty dire straits

even with the rousing success of both Final Fantasy VII and VIII

and Sony had to step in to buy a (reported) 20% stake in Square to keep the merger alive (as Enix wanted to pull out). And this is why a large number of Square-Enix games of the early 2000s were Playstation exclusives.

Just think about that for a second: The Spirits Within was that expensive and that much of a flop that it undid all of the profits from both Final Fantasy VII and VIII.

Initial Thoughts

Each of the boys agreed that the movie is beautiful to look at, especially for it’s time.

Chief:

I don’t think I’d willingly go back and watch it again, though.

Before we got into the movie proper, Jay asked:

Jay:

With 0 being the worst and 10 being the best, how would you rate this film as a film? Imagine that it’s an IGN score though: it doesn’t mean anything

Chief had this to say about his score:

Chief:

What I mean is it’s a middling film. The plot is serviceable, if a little uninteresting and uninspired. It makes sense, and the animation is good… but one thing I will say about the sound, though. You know when they’re firing the weapons? It always feels under-powered.

Squidge had this to say about his score:

Squidge:

I’ve seen some good CGI movies, and I’ve seen some $h!t. And so many years later, it holds up… some of the best parts of the movie are Steve Buschemi… the pacing is way too fast, then way too slow.

And the boys all agree that the movie would have made a great limited series or a game. In fact, they all agree that it plays out very much like a video game.

Jay:

You could probably make [this into] a tactical shooter, survival horror game.

Had Netflix been a streaming service back in the tail end of the 90s

rather than just a DVD rental service

they would have bitten Sakaguchi’s hand off to make it.

Chief:

It’s just done too quick, isn’t it? There’s good stuff in there, but it’s so rushed over that by the time you get to it, you think "ugh, well I’ve seen that now."

The Scenes We Want To Highlight

The boys would’ve usually talked through a number of scenes in the episode, but since the majority of the film lacked a large enough amount of plot, there wasn’t much of a point in listing them out. The boys definitely talked about a few scenes, but mostly as a jumping off point for comedic bits.

How Would We Rate It?

We don’t usually rate games or movies, in fact we have never done that. And this was a conscious decision that we made early in the life of the site

we discussed this with Chief on one of his early episodes

But we needed to figure out a way to tell you all whether we think you should watch this movie or not. Normally we would rely on three ratings across three categories, which are:

• Love it (best)
• Try it
• Fling it into a tree (worst)

Across these categories:

• As a science fiction movie
• As a video game movie
• As a Final Fantasy movie in the Final Fantasy canon

Squidge’s Ratings

Jay’s Ratings

Chief’s Ratings

One Final Thing

For those who made it this far in the show notes, here’s the Thriller Easter Egg from the DVD release of Final Fantasy Spirits Within. It is provided without any context:

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Music

Links to the music used in the podcast can be found below. Definitely check them out, because they're amazing tracks by awesome musicians.

• Intro music is Behind the Lines by Ian Sutherland
• Spoiler Break music is Spectrum (Subdiffusion Mix) by Foniqz (BandCamp)
• Pallet Cleanser music is Breath Deep Breath Clear (Wu Chi) by Siobhan Dakay
• Resident Evil 2 - Robert Kendo © Capcom
• Final Fantasy (NES) Music - Overworld Theme © Square-Enix
• FF7 OST-Overworld_Main Theme © Square-Enix
• Final Fantasy V Battle Theme © Square-Enix
• Outro Music is I N e e d Y o u 私の側て by G.H (removed from BandCamp)